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Inverters & Grid Integration / Re: Interfacing wind turbines to the grid
Last post by SparWeb -
First I have to figure out exactly what I want to do, then out how to do it.
First: What to do:
1) Export energy to the grid?
2) use the AC for other purposes?
3) use the energy for stored heat?

My PV set-up allows me to do both.  When the PV inverter is exporting, it's not going directly to the grid, yet.  It goes to a common bus at the base of my meter, and if the house is using power then the house can be supplied by PV.  This is passive and just the balance of current flows, based on Ohm's law, and it's marvelously simple.  I don't have to distinguish between goals 1 and 2, then.  Goal 3 is much harder, since I put the PV panels on the garage, not the house, meaning storing heat in water or sand doesn't let me heat anything that needs to be heated.

Actually, the excess energy from my wind turbine is being used for heat - just a simple bank of resistors that lose heat to the air in my garage.  Hardly useful but necessary to ensure there's always an electrical load on my wind turbine.
How can the excess energy be better used?
1) feed wind DC to the batteries that back-up the PV inverter?
2) feed the WT's output into a separate grid-tie inverter?
3)

Number (1) is obvious, since my wind turbine is designed charge batteries, and that's exactly how I have it hooked up.  But can the system export to grid the extra wind energy?  No.  The problem with (1) is that inverters simply DON'T export the charge from batteries to the grid - they are designed to do the opposite: store energy from the grid in the batteries. Only when the grid fails do they withdraw energy from the batteries, and then it's only to run the backup circuits.  This mode of operation is familiar to us in uninterruptible power supplies and off-grid power setups.  So as the wind charges the batteries, they get full and the excess wind energy just gets lost as heat.  At least I have a backup power supply that's always ready.

Solution (2) promises to export excess wind energy to the grid, but the options are limited.  Most grid-tie inverters will simply not accept the feed from a wind turbine.  If you tried, you would find that the inverter disconnects the wind turbine's electrical leads from time to time.  A wind turbine running freely will spin its blades very fast - destructively.

To get anywhere with Solution (2) one needs a separate control for the wind turbine.  It has to be independent of any grid-tie inverter to do its safety-related job.  There are such devices on the market and you can get simple ones or fancy ones.  I already have a controller in my WT system, because it's basically an essential safety device, whether the WT is meant to be on-grid or off-grid.  Almost invariably, a diversion load (resistor bank) goes with it.

With that controller in place, does this help choose the grid-tie inverter?  While I mentioned safety, the device that's connected to the grid really should be a UL/CSA/IEEE tested device.  This rules out most of the products you can find, particularly the blue ones on Amazon.  Aurora used to make a fine machine, but sadly they are no longer in business.

There may be options on the market that I haven't noticed yet, though.  If anyone knows of one, please feel welcome to suggest it!
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Inverters & Grid Integration / Interfacing wind turbines to the grid
Last post by SparWeb -
Custom-building wind turbines... is hard.  Interfacing wind turbines to the grid... is also hard.
But it is lucrative to come up with a way to grid-tie an inverter, sell the excess energy when the batteries are full.

There are products you can buy, but when they fail things can go drastically wrong.  They're all made in China, of course.  While I'm seeing better products from China all the time, the flood of bad ones hasn't disappeared.  This example might be a good one: https://www.engelecenergy.com/On-grid-Inverters-pl3261504.html
But it doesn't charge batteries.  I want to do both: Keep a battery set charged, and export excess energy to the grid.

My solar panel hybrid inverter does that.  Why can't my wind turbine do that?  I've checked, and my SOL-ARK inverter will not manage the operation of a wind turbine.  It will not accept 3-phase inputs nor will it accept inputs that drastically vary from 50-60 Hz.  While I've been looking for a way to interface my wind turbine to the rest of my RE system, so far all it does is charge the batteries.

A wind turbine bought as a commercially-available unit will usually includes a grid-tie interface, unless the WT is designed solely for charging batteries or running pumps, etc.  Examples include Bergey and Proven, where you can choose from either on-grid or off-grid versions.  Again, if you want both, you need to get more equipment.

Also, their GT inverters are designed for the specific wind turbines they build and sell, not "any" WT.  Since I'm custom-building a wind turbine, one of these would require substantial modifications to adapt it.

What am I to do?

Improvise, I suppose...
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General Discussion / Re: AI
Last post by SparWeb -
Using Win 11 at work there are annoying things that I'm glad I don't have to deal with at home.
For all the computing advances of the past 10 years, I haven't seen many that improve my productivity, ability to express ideas, or analyze a problem. This computer is running just fine with an i5 CPU and Windows 7, plus plenty of security doodads to keep the unwelcome parts of the internet out.  Software stalled out somewhere in the 2010's, and today engineers are using the same programs they were 15 years ago, just adorned with nicer GUI's (with some dreadful exceptions).

I haven't been keen to adopt too much AI in my daily computing, either.  That said, I'm generally impressed by the ability of Copilot to summarize discussions and meetings, and extract useful lists of tasks to follow up when my colleagues decide to do something.  But you have to get used to the idea of a Microsoft AI listening to every word you say and all the graphics up on the screen...

I have seen some struggling coworkers attempt to cover their shortcomings with AI results, but it's usually obvious and scatterbrained.  People mistake AI for "expert systems" which these LLM's aren't.  They actually have no more insight into how the world works than a 2 year old. 

This will change when AI becomes more sophisticated.  Personally, I think that AI's will remain dumb imitators for a while.  Once developers team up the AI's with robotics and give these combined machines more independence, then in time the AI's may gain the spark of experience to truly understand "right" and "wrong".
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General Discussion / AI
Last post by Bruce S -
Here's hoping not to start a flame war or anything...
While I like using AI as a search tool, I do not like the idea of forced embedded AI (ie Windows 11 Chrome, newest Mozilla, etc)
I personally run Linux based software at home, but I work in the Microsoft world at work, and not everything works nicely in Linux. I have multiple monitors at work and Windows is plug-n-play since W7; Linux can be a struggle to do this.

Cheers
Bruce S



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Forum News & Announcements / Welcome to FieldlinesForum! Your new Community.
Last post by eColumbus -
Welcome to the new FieldlinesForum!

This forum was built to follow in the tradition of the pioneers of DIY small wind power, Hugh Piggott, Dan Bartmann and the many others who for the last 30 or 40 years, have made great contributions to the spreading of knowledge about designing and building alternators and machines powered by the wind.

These pioneers have traveled the world teaching small groups of people, especially in poor communities that have no electricity, how to build alternators to be powered by the wind or by water. These guys are still active and teaching today, but we must continue to share this knowledge with the younger generation.

Dan Bartmann, Dan Fink and others started a forum in 2003, that provided a platform where these builders and tinkerers could exchange knowledge about their building and experimenting with different ways to generate power. The Dan’s as they were commonly referred to by the community, kept the forum until 2018. That forum was quite successful as it continued to educate others throughout the community. Unfortunately, recently, the forum vanished from the internet.

We are a bit different than the OLD fieldlines. We have added new boards for important new topics such as off-grid and remote living, 3D printing and other cool stuff. And with the advances in new materials and the technological tools of today, we could try new things and have a lot of fun doing it, but most important, we will learn skills that could be very useful if hard times come.

With this new forum we aim to continue the tradition of experimenting, building, failing and succeeding, and doing all this as a community. As the forum grows, it is my desire that those that come here looking for answers will find them, whatever the topic. And that those answers will help many live better and happier lives.

OK community, let’s get this forum going! Let’s start tinkering, talking and building and sharing our ideas.

Enjoy FieldlinesForum, your new community!

Ed
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Forum News & Announcements / Re: Test Post
Last post by MagnetJuice -
Try again after taking off your sunglasses!  :D
Let's try some quotes "quotes" - in browser.
Let’s try some quotes “quotes” – pasted from Word.